Serious Threat to Alligator Gar Bowfishing! Fox News!

[BAG Hunter]

If they ban GG, I will start bowfishing for wolves.

[fishstick]

Originally Posted by gigem

Those of us who attended the TPWD hearings last year all heard from an "actual biologist"....he works for the TPWD....ON the Trinity River. When asked about the GG population, he stated in an open meeting that "the Trinity River fishery was at, or near, it's carrying capacity" ! At or near it's carrying capacity ! And that was with unlimited harvest! If a species has overpopulated it's habitat, in the face of unlimited harvest, what possible outcome could be expected by limiting the harvest of that species? ......but, in their infinite wisdom, TPWD still opted to limit GG harvest to one per day. Gee thanks!

Steve may be a biased guide, but he's an excellent public speaker...and I'll put his knowledge and expertise up against any "so-called expert" when it comes to the alligator gar. He may be biased...but he's not stupid. He's the last person that wants to see the GG population dwindle! It would be bad for business. The sad thing is that when TPWD changed the laws, to "protect" the GG, they probably did exactly the opposite.

Steve...if there is anything I can do to help you, just give me a call....you've got my number. Hopefully, these idiots won't pick feral hogs as their next "poster-child" species to protect!

i agree and im not saying steve doesnt know what hes talking about....those of us in the bowfishing community know he does for sure.....but to the general public (and thats who will be watching an open debate on television) hes bias....you have to look at it from the point of view that the majority will be looking at it from....everyone here would "put his knowledge and expertise up against any so called expert"..but what "you would do" or any one of us for that matter, doesnt matter one bit in this situation......i wasnt knocking steve at all, i commend him for taking up the fight and i know hes more knowledgeable than anyone out there but if you really think the public is going to look at it that way then your just incredibly naieve.....i was only stating how its going to be viewed....i dont know anything about gator gar and im not pretending that i do...i do know quite a bit about dealing with the public however since i live in the most densely populated state in the nation and very close to New York City where most of the people who have the money and power to enact these outrageous regulations dwell. From what ive read here i understand this to be a situation where they are trying to put GG on the endangered list so this is not a just a texas fish and game isssue, its nationa,l correct?...i can guarantee you that someone with a title of biologist, scientist, etc, will have a greater effect on the public when they make the statement that the GG is doing well then will someone who makes a living out of harvesting them (even though that person knows more about whats going on with the fish then the biologist).....that may pizz us off, and it sounds like you dont want to hear it, but thats the way it is.

[Old Bald Guy]

Sad but true, Fishstick does have a good point.

[DWO]

i'm sure a lot of you won't agree with this, but i believe it's true. when you have a GG in your avatar, i think it should be cleaned up, no blood , and no arrows sticking out of it. I don't think hanging from a tree as if it were lynched looks good either. Look at GAR GUYS avatar, and Mike Boomers, and you see the difference. SINCE WE ARE now under attack, and i think the people trying to put them on the endangered list, will certainly use our site to show these fish are like a manatee , slow and defenseless. If i had an avatar showing a pile of dead gar, i'd change it until we see where this ends up. JUST MY OPINION

[trapperBR549]

they are a new breed and are mainly into saving the animals, and not being hunters themselves, makes them not on our side. they look like boy scout leaders , not game rangers

Hey man, I am a boy scout leader. A couple weeks ago many of the boys in our troop earned their tracking merit badge. I took them on my old trapline and they learned to identify lots of animals from their tracks, therir scat, their habits, and how to determine their gate. When they got home their parents told me they were plum wore out but couldn't quit talking about what they saw and learned.
I know you didn't mean anything by it but I am trying to make a bigger point. In addition to your excellent points about how our pictures impact our image, so do our words. Making blanket statements about all biologists, wardens, etc. will not endear us to the public. It might be different out there but I know quite a few Missouri Dep't. of Conservation employees, biologists, agents, etc., that are great people. They are very much on our side and very much understand the importance of the image sportsman have with the general public.

[gigem]

Originally Posted by fishstick

i agree and im not saying steve doesnt know what hes talking about....those of us in the bowfishing community know he does for sure.....but to the general public (and thats who will be watching an open debate on television) hes bias....you have to look at it from the point of view that the majority will be looking at it from....everyone here would "put his knowledge and expertise up against any so called expert"..but what "you would do" or any one of us for that matter, doesnt matter one bit in this situation......i wasnt knocking steve at all, i commend him for taking up the fight and i know hes more knowledgeable than anyone out there but if you really think the public is going to look at it that way then your just incredibly naieve.....i was only stating how its going to be viewed....i dont know anything about gator gar and im not pretending that i do...i do know quite a bit about dealing with the public however since i live in the most densely populated state in the nation and very close to New York City where most of the people who have the money and power to enact these outrageous regulations dwell. From what ive read here i understand this to be a situation where they are trying to put GG on the endangered list so this is not a just a texas fish and game isssue, its nationa,l correct?...i can guarantee you that someone with a title of biologist, scientist, etc, will have a greater effect on the public when they make the statement that the GG is doing well then will someone who makes a living out of harvesting them (even though that person knows more about whats going on with the fish then the biologist).....that may pizz us off, and it sounds like you dont want to hear it, but thats the way it is.

The point I was trying to make is simple. When TPWD didn't listen to their own biologist, in the middle of their own meeting, what makes you think that a biologist is going to be the answer this time, on a national stage? Besides that, Steve was the one that was invited to participate in the debate. One last thing....it doesn't really matter what "the public" thinks. The public won't be making this decision. The will of the people went out with democracy, comrade....Whether you want to hear it or not, that's the way it is.

Go get 'em Steve....the DVR will be rolling.

[fishstick]

Originally Posted by gigem

The point I was trying to make is simple. When TPWD didn't listen to their own biologist, in the middle of their own meeting, what makes you think that a biologist is going to be the answer this time, on a national stage? Besides that, Steve was the one that was invited to participate in the debate. One last thing....it doesn't really matter what "the public" thinks. The public won't be making this decision. The will of the people went out with democracy, comrade....Whether you want to hear it or not, that's the way it is.

Go get 'em Steve....the DVR will be rolling.

if it doesnt matter what the "public" thinks then why even bother with a TELEVISED debate....isnt that who the audience is????? The public is those who view this TELEVISED event and then decide to do something about the GG situation after they have watched it. Some of these people WILL be the ones influencing the ultimate decision as they are some of the people with the MONEY and POLITICAL INFLUENCE. I dont want to get in a pizzin match but its obvious to me that your very naieve. And you are trying to make it sound like im going after steve and thats not the case at all....from what ive seen on here he is a leader when it comes to standing up for the rights of bowfisherman. One other note, Steve indicated that TPWD is not in favor of putting them on the endangered list so in this situation they may be not be your enemy but an ally. He indicated that its mainly the antis that are pushing this so you WILL need all the allies you can get and that includes the majority (non bowfishing) public!! I think ive stated my point clearly...i was merely making a suggestion that it might be good to have someone with a "title" to back you up. If you disagree thats fine, it was just a suggestion and i thought it was better to make suggestions then just sit back and cheerlead. Mlmtx already said hes working on it so there are some that find this might be a good tactic.

[DWO]

Trapper, you are the right kind of a scout leader, but you have to admit that all over this country we have a lot of them who are not of the old school like yourself, hell they even have gay ones, so i think you know what i meant , not your kind. It was just an example

[kuger]

I didnt even catch the Boy scout leader part,heck I have seen Wardens that wouldnt have made a cub scout!That being said,some of my best friends are wardens

[trapperBR549]

Originally Posted by DWO

Trapper, you are the right kind of a scout leader, but you have to admit that all over this country we have a lot of them who are not of the old school like yourself, hell they even have gay ones, so i think you know what i meant , not your kind. It was just an example

Your point is well taken. I just think we should all be careful not to generalize about any group, from boy scouts to biologists, and I am as guilty of it as anyone.
By the way, no gays are allowed, if they find out about it.

[oldsmoker]

Best of luck Steve! I would expect the debate to be loaded with twisted facts and fabricated numbers on populations and all. I'd also expect personal attacks, attacks on our sport and attemps to anger and frustrate you. Keep your cool and give the facts. Again, good luck and thanks for what your doing.

[boondockbowfishin]

Originally Posted by BAG Hunter

If they ban GG, I will start bowfishing for wolves.

mike u are tha man. that made my day

[TXBOWFISHADDICT]

what if steve and others was able to produce footage showing tons of gar swimming near the surface? I see numbers of 20 or more gar swimming near the surface and maybe if someone had some game warden friends that could show support that would be a strong mark for our side

[BACKSTABBER]

Originally Posted by oldsmoker

Best of luck Steve! I would expect the debate to be loaded with twisted facts and fabricated numbers on populations and all. I'd also expect personal attacks, attacks on our sport and attemps to anger and frustrate you. Keep your cool and give the facts. Again, good luck and thanks for what your doing.

Originally Posted by TXBOWFISHADDICT

what if steve and others was able to produce footage showing tons of gar swimming near the surface? I see numbers of 20 or more gar swimming near the surface and maybe if someone had some game warden friends that could show support that would be a strong mark for our side

Good points fellas and good job Steve, I am sure you will represent us well! Please let us know when this will air.

[GarGuys]

You are exactly right, Old Smoker. This aint my first rodeo.

[finman]

Originally Posted by GarGuys

I have already done that several times Weston. This isnt TPWD. this is a national asault.

Hey Steve...this may not be exactly on point, but consider, during your debate, the mention of the Asian Bighead Carp invasion that is creating such a mess in many of our states' waters...I'm in Arkansas and I can assure you that these "trash" fish are wreaking havoc around many states. They are destroying the environment of game fish and injuring (sometimes fatally I hear) many conventional fishermen. This is a fine example of "fish gone wild". Some fish need to be controlled, and I think an argument could be made for gator gar over-population if not harvested in adequate numbers. Also, I belive Bill O'Reilly has hunted and might be sympathetic to our position. Try to get him on our side. Be prepared for a variety of assaults from the opposition, including videos, pictures and verbal posts that will not be too helpful. Good luck and keep us informed.

[fishstick]

Originally Posted by BAG Hunter

If they ban GG, I will hunt them anyways. I might even start bowfishing for wolves.

yes finman....verbal posts like this one.

[BAG Hunter]

Originally Posted by fishstick

yes finman....verbal posts like this one.

sorry if I threw fuel on your fire. As anyone can tell, that post was a joke. Thats why there is a laughing smiley on there.

[D Loe]

Freaking idiots, period...end of subject. Saw an abundant amount of them yesterday! I think I will have to get me some IKAMS next spring! Show these bastards some evidence that they DO NOT need to be placed on the list....That would be very very detrimental...they don't even KNOW!

*cracks another beer*

[BAG Hunter]

Originally Posted by DWO

i'm sure a lot of you won't agree with this, but i believe it's true. when you have a GG in your avatar, i think it should be cleaned up, no blood , and no arrows sticking out of it. I don't think hanging from a tree as if it were lynched looks good either. Look at GAR GUYS avatar, and Mike Boomers, and you see the difference. SINCE WE ARE now under attack, and i think the people trying to put them on the endangered list, will certainly use our site to show these fish are like a manatee , slow and defenseless. If i had an avatar showing a pile of dead gar, i'd change it until we see where this ends up. JUST MY OPINION

How bout this avatar?

[D Loe]

gUESSS I SHOULD CHANGE MINE

*CRACKS ANOTHER*

[BAG Hunter]

Originally Posted by D Loe

gUESSS I SHOULD CHANGE MINE

*CRACKS ANOTHER*

I don't want to start any trouble.....but you will be next on their radar. They are already after me. I'm fixin to go underground. The only time you will see me from now on will be on the river and I may be in disguise. I will send code words to all my friends so I will know who I can trust.

[fishstick]

Originally Posted by BAG Hunter

sorry if I threw fuel on your fire. As anyone can tell, that post was a joke. Thats why there is a laughing smiley on there.

we all know you were joking but the antis can take a quote and use any part of it against you.......all they have to do is say "look...even if we put them on the endangered list, guys like this are gonna keep killing them"....and then only quote part of your post without smiley and out of context....happens all the time. I was just using your post as an example of one that was just an unnecessary comment on an otherwise serious thread.

[Texas Two Guns]

I got to belive that our dear friend Herrara is behing this. Seen her last week on a national geographic clip. Some animals just don't belong everywhere. There isn't any alligator too far north just like there isnt' Elk in South Texas. I know that there USED to be GG in some states that don't have them now, but it wasn't anything we did, it was channelization and dams that did it, not fishermen. So baning them is not gonna help anything. It will not increase breeding in those areas.

[BOWFISH 24/7]

Good luck Steve !
& Thanks for your support of Bowfishing !

If we hunted Skunks & Mosquitoes there would be some tree hugging group trying to stop it .
They can’t stand to see people enjoying themselves .

[BAG Hunter]

[fishstick]

you really went thru the trouble to take that pic of yourself like that in your avatar????.....wow.....hahaha...ok you changed it and erased the post....

[CRACKCORN]

Originally Posted by BAG Hunter

i love your c/d's man ( crap you editted it )

[BAG Hunter]

Originally Posted by CRACKCORN

i love your c/d's man ( crap you editted it )

I made one too many attempts at bad humor and was offending a brother up north. Hey Fishstick, apology sent. I'm really all about the cause, just got a little crazy.

[fishstick]

Originally Posted by BAG Hunter

I made one too many attempts at bad humor and was offending a brother up north. Hey Fishstick, apology sent. I'm really all about the cause, just got a little crazy.

no prob...you werent offending me i just thought it was more serious thread (especailly for you guys that get to shoot em)

[BowieKnife357]

Originally Posted by DWO

If you start noticing what a parks and wild life person looks like, you will see a big change in what they use to look like. Out here they are yuppies who got into this profession to "PRESERVE" THE WILD LIFE, not just manage it. most of them don't hunt or fish, i see a lot of them as "the enemy among us" they have changed over the years, and gone to the liberal side of management. they are a new breed and are mainly into saving the animals, and not being hunters themselves, makes them not on our side. they look like boy scout leaders , not game rangers

That's one of the reasons I'm doing what I am. Decided to go back to school after a multi-year hiatus, working on ecology/fisheries biology degree. I've met ALOT of biased biologists, and also met more than I care to admit that don't know as much about a river and whats in it as someone who has been fishing it for years. Hell I've seen biologists that couldn't even manage to seine a section of feeder creek for specimen samples. They were pretty embarrased when an old guy with a throw net got the samples for them. It's ridiculous. I've always believed that they could learn alot from fisherman/hunters/trappers and apply alot of those methods to what they do, but it seems like common sense isn't so common.

Originally Posted by kuger

So true Dell!!!I never could figure out why a Warden needed a Biology degree.when they were in school,getting that degree the poachers were out plying there trade,most couldnt afford to go to college.....wouldnt you want an x poacher to be a warden??

Funny thing is the first game wardens WERE x-poachers back in the early 1900's when they first started enforcing game laws, and somewhere along the way they decided you had to have a college edumacation to read a regulation book and write tickets accordingly..

I'm interested in seeing how this whole thing goes. Is there anyway someone can record it and put it on youtube? I don't currently have a working television.

[bubbaduck]

Good luck steave. If you need anything letme know. I have fitted my boat with one of those new immage fish finders and if you really want to see what the gator gar population is like then we can troll them around my lake and look at all 6 and 7 ft fish that tend be floating about 5 foot from the bottom. I beleave less then half the population is what we see rolling. There are two types of gg active and lazy. The majority of what we see is the active ones from what I see they are allway on the move and roll more often and also put up a heck of a fight when hooked. The lazy ones move slow and lie in wait for food to pass by. They hardly ever surface for air. I kindda figured this all alone wasn't tell I got my fish finder that I could prove my theory. Bottom line there is way more gator gar in our rivers and lake that we don't see.

[D Loe]

And I don't think they realize that Bedre, they have absolutley nothing on paper, no research to back their theroy. That's what makes this whole "theory" they have bs.

[D Loe]

In NONE of the meetings we attended against the TPWD restriction did they ever display any type of hard core data from their researches....

[codfish]

Do we know what day and time the debate will take place?

[codfish]

Originally Posted by bubbaduck

Good luck steave. If you need anything letme know. I have fitted my boat with one of those new immage fish finders and if you really want to see what the gator gar population is like then we can troll them around my lake and look at all 6 and 7 ft fish that tend be floating about 5 foot from the bottom. I beleave less then half the population is what we see rolling. There are two types of gg active and lazy. The majority of what we see is the active ones from what I see they are allway on the move and roll more often and also put up a heck of a fight when hooked. The lazy ones move slow and lie in wait for food to pass by. They hardly ever surface for air. I kindda figured this all alone wasn't tell I got my fish finder that I could prove my theory. Bottom line there is way more gator gar in our rivers and lake that we don't see.

It was good seeing you on monster fish, What did you think of that British fellow?

[bubbaduck]

He is one hard core fisher man. We both learned from each other.

[trapperBR549]

Any update on when this might air?

[kuger]

Originally Posted by D Loe

In NONE of the meetings we attended against the TPWD restriction did they ever display any type of hard core data from their researches....

If they do like they did out here to us,they dont need any research data
They banned gold dredging which was a HUGE supplement to my income.They claimed it was detrimental to the salmon.....well the closest salmon to me is over 100 miles away,and the studies that have been done and were made non admissible,shows that dredging is beneficial to all fish!!Oh,yea,this happened with no public input,no vote no nothing AND they refuse to refund our permit costs even though the season was shut down half way through the season!

[D Loe]

It sure is frustrating, we tried to stop it and it still happened...What's a person to do?

Thank you Gar Guys for this, I hoipe yall can make a difference. if this goes through I might as well sell all my CHIT! I spend thousands each year on gator gar trips!

[Texas Two Guns]

Well one thing we can't do is give up. We got to fight it tooth and nail. We got knocked out in one fight, but that was just a battle, this is War!

[GarGuys]

I dont have n update on when this will happen yet, but i can guarantee you it WONT happen untill i know who all the players are. Well.....If it does, i wont be included.

I will let yall know as soon as i have a set time.

[DWO]

Bubba duck, THTA'S A GOOD AVATAR, CAUSE YOU LOOK LIKE YOUR GONNA TURN IT LOSE. Even if it's dead. GG will live if the arrow isn't in the boiler area. i have shot several, got em up to the boat and they weren't even bleeding one bit, i just pulled the arrow out and the took off, the arrow was just in past the barb and way back in the body.I'm not advocating shoot and release, just stating a fact.

[BAG Hunter]

DWO, I have shot gar with arrow holes and busted skulls that were healed up. The scars were visible and they were just as strong as the ones that had never been shot. Just depends on where they are hit and sometimes that does not matter.....they still recover. BTW- do yall have GG in Arizona?

[huntin_entucky1]

gator gar roamed all over the middle eastern states once upon a time. before they started daming everything up n they are trying repopulate these things around here. i dunno why in the world they would want to ban shooting them especially when they got bigger fish to fry. we dont got any of them asian carp yet but if they get in my home lake or around any of the rivers here im gonna be mad. gator gar would benifit in alot of places around here like said earlier ya dont see half if even a quarter of the population. to me they should do them kinda like the limits on bass n such only where they are startin to get rare at. other then that they need to leave things where they are it sucks when the gov. thinks they have to take control. they just bully there way into our homes and jobs and now our ways of relaxation the last ones gettin to be a big one anymore. seems like everything you want to do ya cant do anymore cause there is a law telling you NO. i have never saw a gator gar in real life but would love to. longnose and spotted gar be about all we got up here it would be wild to have one them monsters on the end of a line or arrow. i can see conserveing the species n all but part of good conservation requires management of the species. just to put a ban on all the dang animals that you want saved isnt the way to keep em alive. once they over populate like the asian carp n all and start to damage the ecosystem then what will **** do. i can see em now gettin out n tryin to save the gator gar n carp n dang sea kittens from extinction lol. they will be on tv tellin you to send a dollar a day for fish food one dollar gets you a sponsership for the gar that ate there hand earlier this evening when they tried to feed it a wheatgrass sandwich. man this makes me sick before ya know it we will all be in boxes with cameras sittin front of us waitin for us to move so they can write us a violation for breakin the no moveing law or no breathing law. dont mess the ozone up try n hold your breath. a bunch of crap. one thing that urks me every day is why in the world did i do a stupid thing n have kids. i feel so bad for them this world is screwed up now and i cant imagine when they get older as to what kind of a mess they will be in with the government goin the way it is n all. i want my boys to see the world how it was meant to be seen. i want to put em in the woods and on the water i want em to be able to go hunting and fishing like i did so much when i was there age. i want them to be able to take in all of nature they possibly can. they is concrete growin all around us people and its startin to get into peoples heads i do beleive. what these people are thinkin is beyond me anymore. lol where were these people at when the indians were gettin masacred. i hate to be pesamistic but folks people like us that like the outdoors and whatnot are goin the way of the indian and goin fast at that.

[BAG Hunter]

"i have never saw a gator gar in real life but would love to.".
If you ever want to drive to East Texas, I will take you to the river and show you several.

[huntin_entucky1]

that be the sucky part never seen one or got to hunt one and now looks like ill be able to see em n not hunt em which be alot of bull crap

[IBB1GDADDY2]

Steve if you need me to show some of them some Gator Gar in my neck of the woods let me know.
Maybe we need to show them some Gator Gar to prove they are still very abundant.

[fishstick]

Originally Posted by huntin_entucky1

that be the sucky part never seen one or got to hunt one and now looks like ill be able to see em n not hunt em which be alot of bull crap

yea i was planning on goin out there next year to hunt one with either a guide or a trade off for Big Rays out here...

[huntin_entucky1]

if they shut down bowfishing and fishing for gar then who knows whats next take the carp away or take fishing away all toghether just to let em grow n mature and take over every lake n stream till they have nothin left to do but eat each other

[huntin_entucky1]

steve is doin a great great thing here by even attempting to fool with these people they needs to be a couple hundred thoughsand standin behind him to make sure things like fishing bans and strict regulations dont take place peoples need to stand up n be accounted for before the dang gov. starts accountin for ya

[huntin_entucky1]

Originally Posted by fishstick

yea i was planning on goin out there next year to hunt one with either a guide or a trade off for Big Rays out here...

before ya know it they will be after the stingrays next

[BAG Hunter]

Originally Posted by huntin_entucky1

that be the sucky part never seen one or got to hunt one and now looks like ill be able to see em n not hunt em which be alot of bull crap

Don't sweat it. Come on down. If they start banning everything we will buy bigger boats and start fishing international waters. If anyone ever wants to come to Longview or any where close, I would be glad to take yall to the river. I'm not a guide by no means, I just fish the river alot.

[boondockbowfishin]

Originally Posted by BAG Hunter

Don't sweat it. Come on down. If they start banning everything we will buy bigger boats and start fishing international waters. If anyone ever wants to come to Longview or any where close, I would be glad to take yall to the river. I'm not a guide by no means, I just fish the river alot.

i just sent u a pm

[Strike Force]

i was on a small oxbow lake here in east tx saturday, its not even a mile long and only about 60 yards wide, we counted at least 10 different gg! thats a lot of big fish ( all at least 100 pounds) in such a small lake. like bubba said, thats just the active ones, wonder how many were just laying near the bottom? if a lake like that has that many, imagine how many there are in the river just a few hundred yards away. at times, i cannot even count how many big ones are rolling because of the shear numbers. this fish is endangered, endangered from its self, if we dont keep the population under control, nature will.

[huntin_entucky1]

yep once they start to all grow real big n nice then every fish within reach of its mouth is food one day they will be no more food other then themselves goes for any population thats why i dont see what the heck that **** has for all these animals they are trying to save i could see if hundreds of people were out poaching these animals or they were being mistreated unmercifully but there not they are not disturbed fishermen like you and me are what conserves there species we take time to fish for them and learn about them and the last thing any of us want is to see them gone i dunno what id do if i couldnt go out n fish so whats there purpose to see them overpopulate till they bust

[huntin_entucky1]

some people are dumb as can be sometime we had a bunch of nuts here a while ago back to try n get the state to put out poison for the deer population here they wanted to decimate them cause they were causeing accidents all over the state of course now there are alot of diseases that are causeing them to die off now but it goes to show you what extremes people will go to they wanted every deer goin to be gone instead of opening there eyes n watching for them they just go from one extreme to the next one and dont care who is in the middle or what they are going to hurt

[Strike Force]

Originally Posted by huntin_entucky1

some people are dumb as can be sometime we had a bunch of nuts here a while ago back to try n get the state to put out poison for the deer population here they wanted to decimate them cause they were causeing accidents all over the state of course now there are alot of diseases that are causeing them to die off now but it goes to show you what extremes people will go to they wanted every deer goin to be gone instead of opening there eyes n watching for them they just go from one extreme to the next one and dont care who is in the middle or what they are going to hurt

thats the truth, and it has happened too many times. ive seen where they poision whole lakes to get rid of one species, confucis says "only ignorant man use cannon ball to kill fly"

[huntin_entucky1]

that quote details them to a key "only ignorant man use cannon ball to kill fly" lol i like that ill have to member that one

[huntin_entucky1]

they have all these invasive species to be worrying about and now ya dont hear nothin from the gov. about them a while ago back the great lakes was in perril from the thought that asian carp were going to invade it and destroy the ecosystem now where is that at those snake head fish were sposed to be invadeing now nomore talk of them either just stupidity i tell ya

[Joemedic]

Originally Posted by huntin_entucky1

steve is doin a great great thing here by even attempting to fool with these people they needs to be a couple hundred thoughsand standin behind him to make sure things like fishing bans and strict regulations dont take place peoples need to stand up n be accounted for before the dang gov. starts accountin for ya

I haven't read this whole thread but has anyone thought about getting some of the bass fishing groups behind us because i guarantee they want us to keep the GG numbers down. I mean I hate to admit it but there are 10 times more bass fishermen than bowfishermen a win for us would be a win for them, a loss for us would be catastrophic for game fishermen.

[GarGuys]

Originally Posted by IBB1GDADDY2

Steve if you need me to show some of them some Gator Gar in my neck of the woods let me know.
Maybe we need to show them some Gator Gar to prove they are still very abundant.

LOL! I know where those gator gar are in your neck of the woods! I was up there last monday and caught 6 of em by 2oclock. The people we are fighting dont want to see them they want to stop us fom hunting gator gar or anything else!

Seriously tho, thanks Bigdaddy. we will see how this plays out.

[GarGuys]

Originally Posted by Joemedic

I haven't read this whole thread but has anyone thought about getting some of the bass fishing groups behind us because i guarantee they want us to keep the GG numbers down. I mean I hate to admit it but there are 10 times more bass fishermen than bowfishermen a win for us would be a win for them, a loss for us would be catastrophic for game fishermen.

Thats a good point. Today i talked to two of the most prolific bass fishermen in the World about this.

[GarGuys]

Update... i just got off the phone with Fox. It seems this interview has been postponed for a couple of weeks. Im still not sure what this was all about and Im kinda dissapointed that we didnt get to do it this week but it may still happen.

I will let yall know when i hear something else. It seems like my demand to know all the players threw a monkey wrench into the deal. Not sure why....

[IBB1GDADDY2]

Dang Steve that's weird. I've never seen ya'll around here ?
You must be sneaky....

[GarGuys]

Originally Posted by IBB1GDADDY2

Dang Steve that's weird. I've never seen ya'll around here ?
You must be sneaky....

Been up there three times in the past three weeks. upriver and down. I must have had my boat in stealth mode. You can hardly hear it coming.....

[huntin_entucky1]

i dunno just how much damage an over population of gator gar would do but i do know how much damage an over population of longnose gar and carp can do to a creek and river system. there is a creek i used to fish when i was a kid that my father fished when he was a kid. the creek when my father fished it used to be twenty to thirty feet deep in places when he fished it when i fished it there was lucky to be places eight to ten foot deep. this creek now is less then five foot deep in places now and ever since i can remember there have been great abundances of longnose gar and carp my dad and his brothers used to catfish this creek and fish for bass n redeye with great success. when i fished it i would come out with good numbers of redeye and bluegill and a few catfish. in a matter of i guess six years since i fished it last which was just about three weeks ago. that thing is shallow as all get out n there are pools of carp n gar swimmin round big as all get out and turtles like noone has ever seen. nothin else in there though its weird very very weird they have taken over dont know whats next for them i figure they will over breed and kill themselves out and prolly short of nothing will be left in that stretch of waterway its everywhere ya look made me wish i had my bow still i could have dragged out a ton of carp or better i bet ya and gar as far as ya could see they just sit there in pods of prolly a hundred or more to each pool but short point here. these fish took over they were too big for anything here to eat and now aside from man they have no predators after them. its sad to see and i could just imagine a big waterway like the ohio or mississippi gettin clogged up with asian carp or some of the water in texas or whatever be the case gettin eat up with gator gar. they may be a ancient fish but they are still a fish and need regulation like any other species and we know how the government would regulate them if left up to them.

[BowieKnife357]

Strange how they don't wanna tell you who you are up against. Did you get the support of the bass fisherman you talked to?

[Joemedic]

Maybe they were hoping for someone that they deemed "some dumb redneck" and your showing that you are more educated and can offer a true debate and put up a fight with valid facts/figures that could down their "experts" against you. I've seen some of these Fox debates and they like to try and stack it as best they can. Your doing a great job keeping us updated and I know i'm appreciative of it. Also any news from the bass fishermen?

[GarGuys]

Originally Posted by Joemedic

Maybe they were hoping for someone that they deemed "some dumb redneck" and your showing that you are more educated and can offer a true debate and put up a fight with valid facts/figures that could down their "experts" against you. I've seen some of these Fox debates and they like to try and stack it as best they can. Your doing a great job keeping us updated and I know i'm appreciative of it. Also any news from the bass fishermen?

Yeah, we have their full support. John L Morris sent me a great book on the contributions of sportsmen to conservation. I think it is a must read. It s called HOW SPORTSMEN SAVED THE WORLD!

[GarGuys]

They may have been looking for the dumb redneck image but they had done their homework before they called me. The parent company of FOX also owns the WALL STREET JOURNAL. We did a story for them last year that ended up on the front page and the guy that called me had seen it. I have an idea that the opposing party decided not to participate. They probably aproached FOX thinking they could get their story out unopposed and when that wasnt the case, they might have decided not to participate. Thats just a guess...however an educated guess.

[Joemedic]

Originally Posted by GarGuys

They may have been looking for the dumb redneck image but they had done their homework before they called me. The parent company of FOX also owns the WALL STREET JOURNAL. We did a story for them last year that ended up on the front page and the guy that called me had seen it. I have an idea that the opposing party decided not to participate. They probably aproached FOX thinking they could get their story out unopposed and when that wasnt the case, they might have decided not to participate. Thats just a guess...however an educated guess.

Thats kinda what i'm thinking the deal is they met resistance and feel like they might not be the winner of the debate. And curiosity is gettin the better of me what you do hoss to be connected with Wall Street Journal and Fox?

[GarGuys]

Originally Posted by Joemedic

Thats kinda what i'm thinking the deal is they met resistance and feel like they might not be the winner of the debate. And curiosity is gettin the better of me what you do hoss to be connected with Wall Street Journal and Fox?

LOL! Well.... we kill big fish! You havent been around very long and I kinda quit posting pics the last couple of years but we have fished with some pretty high profile clients such as John L Morris and John Paul Morris of Bass Pro and Bill Dance of Bill Dance Outdoors. They have been pretty sucessful on our boat.
We have done national tv shows for Mens Ch, Outdoor Ch, Versus, PBS, NatGeo, Sportsmens ch, Asari Tvs "Planet Earth"( in Japan and South Korea) , as well as a ton of local stations.
We have also run in over 200 newspaper articles and magazines in the last three years. People like big stuff! did i mention it was on the FRONT PAGE of the WSJ???? LOL

[Joemedic]

Originally Posted by GarGuys

LOL! Well.... we kill big fish! You havent been around very long and I kinda quit posting pics the last couple of years but we have fished with some pretty high profile clients such as John L Morris and John Paul Morris of Bass Pro and Bill Dance of Bill Dance Outdoors. They have been pretty sucessful on our boat.
We have done national tv shows for Mens Ch, Outdoor Ch, Versus, PBS, NatGeo, Sportsmens ch, Asari Tvs "Planet Earth"( in Japan and South Korea) , as well as a ton of local stations.
We have also run in over 200 newspaper articles and magazines in the last three years. People like big stuff! did i mention it was on the FRONT PAGE of the WSJ???? LOL

Nice was that you guiding on the Trinity on the Monster Fish episode that started all this?

[GarGuys]

Originally Posted by Joemedic

Nice was that you guiding on the Trinity on the Monster Fish episode that started all this?

NOOOOOOOOO...we been around way before that. We turned that show down and refunded their money just on a gut feeling. We did give them Garzillas contact info. The show turned out ok but they were pushing for a pile of dead gar. I think if we had provided that, the show would have been very negative. I might be wrong, like I said just a gut feeling.

Check out our site at www.garguys.com

[TXBOWFISHADDICT]

Originally Posted by GarGuys

NOOOOOOOOO...we been around way before that. We turned that show down and refunded their money just on a gut feeling. We did give them Garzillas contact info. The show turned out ok but they were pushing for a pile of dead gar. I think if we had provided that, the show would have been very negative. I might be wrong, like I said just a gut feeling.

Check out our site at www.garguys.com

You need to stop them capt steve.
I shot a fat ole gar 3 days ago and I wanna get some more.

[shalloWtrSlayer]

Originally Posted by GarGuys

Well it never ends! There is a huge push to put alligator gar on the ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST!!!!! This would stop ALL bowfishing for them. I will give you more specifics when i can as i just learned of this!

The GarGuys will appear live on Fox and Friends nationally either Monday or Tuesday to debate these idiots and defend bowfishing! I will let yall know as this develops but it is rapidly developing right now.

thats stupid ur allready only allowed to shot one a night thats bad enough

[fishstick]

Originally Posted by GarGuys

NOOOOOOOOO...we been around way before that. We turned that show down and refunded their money just on a gut feeling. We did give them Garzillas contact info. The show turned out ok but they were pushing for a pile of dead gar. I think if we had provided that, the show would have been very negative. I might be wrong, like I said just a gut feeling.

Check out our site at www.garguys.com

if you had a gut feeling it was gonna be bad for the sport why would you put them in touch with someone else who might take them?.....not trying to start chit....just doesnt make much sense to me.

[GarGuys]

Originally Posted by fishstick

if you had a gut feeling it was gonna be bad for the sport why would you put them in touch with someone else who might take them?.....not trying to start chit....just doesnt make much sense to me.

They wanted to BOWFISH with us and film us shooting a bunch of big gar. Bubba took them ROD AND REEL fishing which had little chance of being negative toward bowfishing. I could have taken them rod and reel fishing but I had already made up my mind that i was through with em. they called and tried to buy some of our bowfishing footage after that and we turned the money down. hope that makes more sense now.

[fishstick]

Originally Posted by GarGuys

They wanted to BOWFISH with us and film us shooting a bunch of big gar. Bubba took them ROD AND REEL fishing which had little chance of being negative toward bowfishing. I could have taken them rod and reel fishing but I had already made up my mind that i was through with em. they called and tried to buy some of our bowfishing footage after that and we turned the money down. hope that makes more sense now.

10 4 ....that clears it up.